another toon tragedy

[Nftnat]

In case no one else has noticed, the ANIMA-DATABASE seems to have fallen by the wayside. I hate it that that happened as it was afaik the only source of info on toons from all the old studios from '29 to '7-whenever. (D-F toons excepted) Fortunately, Dave Mackey's site is still up; so there's still a source for Famous, Fleischer, D-F & WB toons; but what about the MGM toons? What about the Terrytoons, D*sn*y, Walter Lantz, Van Beuren, Iwerks, Screen Gems, UPA? Does anyone know of another such toon database on the net? I'd even be tempted to buy a book if I knew where & how.

[laugh4me]

Here are a couple of sites, just in case you aren't already aware of them:

MGM online encyclopedia (http://www.geocities.com/mgmshorts/index.html)

Encyclopedia of Disney Animated Shorts (http://www.geocities.com/~eutychus55/sitemap.htm)

[Thad Komorowski]

Well, I personally am thinking about doing a Lantz filmography...:D

-Thad:D

[Nelson]

I currently have a Van Bueren Studios web-site in the works.I should have it up by the end or begining of next year.

[Gossamer]

Originally posted by Nftnat
In case no one else has noticed, the ANIMA-DATABASE seems to have fallen by the wayside. I hate it that that happened as it was afaik the only source of info on toons from all the old studios from '29 to '7-whenever. (D-F toons excepted) Fortunately, Dave Mackey's site is still up; so there's still a source for Famous, Fleischer, D-F & WB toons; but what about the MGM toons? What about the Terrytoons, D*sn*y, Walter Lantz, Van Beuren, Iwerks, Screen Gems, UPA? Does anyone know of another such toon database on the net? I'd even be tempted to buy a book if I knew where & how.

Might I suggest Of Mice and Men by Leonard Maltin. Try www.half.com that's where I got a copy. It's got the studios you list and more. Excellent work and worth digging up. I wish someone would do as much for the independents.

[Joe Tully]

There's the big cartoon database
www.bcdb.com


You might also be able to find some good books at your bookstore. I've seen some good books that list short descriptions, but I think those were only for TV cartoons.

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Joe Tully
There's the big cartoon database
www.bcdb.com


This is a little off-topic, but does anyone know an e-mail address where I could contact the Big Cartoon Database. This site has been stealing information from the "Looney Tunes On TV" section of my site without giving Kevin McCorry or I any credit for it (see their word-for-word descriptions of Bugs & Tweety Show episodes... that is the result of Kevin's hard work and research, not the maker's of the Cartoon Database).


-Jon

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke



This is a little off-topic, but does anyone know an e-mail address where I could contact the Big Cartoon Database. This site has been stealing information from the "Looney Tunes On TV" section of my site without giving Kevin McCorry or I any credit for it (see their word-for-word descriptions of Bugs & Tweety Show episodes... that is the result of Kevin's hard work and research, not the maker's of the Cartoon Database).


-Jon

Interestingly, they don't seem to have an e-mail anywhere...You could try to go to an individual episode and click on "Report an Error" and write in a description of the situation. That's the only way I can think of contacting them. Probably not the ideal way to do that, though...


I did find this amusing


No material from www.bcdb.com or any Web site owned, operated, licensed or controlled by The Big Cartoon DataBase or any of its related, affiliated or subsidiary companies (collectively, "The Big Cartoon DataBase"), may be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way, without the prior written permission of The Big Cartoon DataBase, except that you may download one copy of the materials on any single computer for your personal, non-commercial home use only, provided you keep intact all copyright and other proprietary notices. Modification of the materials or use of the materials for any other purpose is a violation of The Big Cartoon DataBase's copyright and other proprietary rights.

[BobChief]

Jon, the BCDB.com domain is held by Cartoon Factory, a dealer in animation cels among other things.

You could try e-mailing to webmaster@CARTOON-FACTORY.COM.

[Greg Method]

Jon, the site's e-mail address is admin@bcdb.com

[laugh4me]

How about David Gerstein's Felix the Cat Page (http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/felix/) - where you can find a filmography and more for Felix.

[Sogturtle]

The page for ANIMA-DATABASE still comes up for me, but then when a title is input, nothing else happens. It's like they've deleted the files but left the page up. Strange.

Dave Mackey's site is good but with the noted large omission of a number of entire studios (c'mon he covers the best of the Hollywood studios excepting Disney and throws in Fleischer and Famous to boot!). Course some of us have some info that he doesn't have and that's never been published...;)

The Big Cartoon Database is both wonderful and perplexingly strange. Some of their credits for cartoons are absolutely correct and precise, while others seem almost like they made them up while ingesting strange substances... My comment on it earlier was that it was much like the IMDB, and I think that holds true.

[Annnnd as Jon Cooke noted above and below they are pretty darn light-fingered also.]

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by Greg Method
Jon, the site's e-mail address is admin@bcdb.com

Thanks, Greg. I plan on contacting them very soon. There is no excuse for what they have done (and their "legal disclaimer", as Joe quoted, makes me even more upset).

I have also been informed that the Big Cartoon Database has also copied the entire descriptions word-for-word from Kevin's Bugs Bunny Show pages.

The descriptions from The Road Runner Show, Bugs Bunny / Road Runner Show, Merrie Melodies, and The Bugs N Daffy Show pages haven't been swiped yet. If anyone notices that they have been stolen, please alert us.

Thanks,


-Jon

[dendawg]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke



This is a little off-topic, but does anyone know an e-mail address where I could contact the Big Cartoon Database. This site has been stealing information from the "Looney Tunes On TV" section of my site without giving Kevin McCorry or I any credit for it (see their word-for-word descriptions of Bugs & Tweety Show episodes... that is the result of Kevin's hard work and research, not the maker's of the Cartoon Database).


-Jon

Hey, Jon, could you post a link showing where they're stealing your info? Good luck, otherwise, my friend. You have an uphill battle on your hands.

[laugh4me]

I just remembered a Tom and Jerry site (http://www.lafn.org/~as823/tj.html) (the cat and mouse T&J)... ;)

[BugsandTweety]

Here's a link to the page in question. As reported, the plot summaries are duplicates from
Looney Tunes On TV by Kevin McCorry and Jon Cooke, and we know that Looney Tunes On TV existed in 1997, a full year before the Big Cartoon Database claims to have begun.

http://www.bcdb.com/pages/Warner_Bros_/Television/Compilations/

[Jon Cooke]

Originally posted by dendawg
Hey, Jon, could you post a link showing where they're stealing your info? Good luck, otherwise, my friend. You have an uphill battle on your hands.

The Looney Tunes On TV section of my site can be found: http://www.toonzone.net/looney/tv/

These pages have been online and researched by Kevin McCorry and myself since 1997. We take a lot of pride in these works.

Now see the Big Cartoon Database's section of information on WB cartoon compilations television shows (http://www.bcdb.com/pages/Warner_Bros_/Television/Compilations/index.html). Read their sections for The Bugs Bunny Show and The Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show.

I know the long-time visitors of my site will instantly recognize these works as ours.


-Jon

[Jack]

Wow, I just read that section of the BCDB, and that's the one of the most blatant ripoffs I've ever seen.


Jack:(

[mmv3000]

Jon, playing devil's advocate here, but there's a good chance they didn't "steal" your material as much as it was "donated" to them by someone else who stole it from you. Like many sites of the same nature, they rely quite a bit on the viewers for information

[bcdb]

Hi:

My name is Dave, and I am the person responsible for BCDB... at least for the website. The content, well, that is another story, and the subject of this post.

I received a cryptic e-mail today from Kevin, and did not understand it... so I e-mailed him for clarification. Then I became aware of this problem... and I certianly consider it a problem.

I do not know how- specifically- this occured, but I take responsibility for it. I have e-mailed Kevin back, and I hope we can work to a solution that will make us both happy. If that solution is removing all that data, I will. My intention has NEVER been to steal informtion, or someones VERY hard work, or take credit for that persons hard work. I- like many members of this forum- just like cartoons, and I conceived the BCDB to share cartoon information.

I understand Jon and Kevin being upset... I do not blame them. I want to apologize to them both publically here, I have already done so in private e-mail. I will do what I can to make this up to them.

Oh, and that copyright thing.... just a boilerplate statement...

Thanks for listening...

Dave

[Dave Mackey]

Hi, my name is also Dave. I do all those wonderful filmographies, and thank you all for the nice words about them.

Anyway, I used to have a rather complete Lantz list but lost it (!) - If I can find it (I think my brother's got it somewhere in a box), it will be up on my site. I do have a partial list that I may post someday on my site. Not having the INDIVIDUAL cartoons on TV like in the late 70s/early 80s really sucks.

Incidentally, those director citations that appear in the most recent version of Jeff Lenburg's Encyclopedia Of Animated Cartoons on the DePatie-Freleng cartoon series "Blue Racer" and "The Dogfather" were most likely co-opted from my site. They match film for film. I am certain that if anyone could get to the films, Lenburg and his friends could, but I guess the easy way out was to use my partial research gleaned from seeing a few films in captivity in the 70's (and having a print of the only Dogfather I have full credits for, "Watch The Birdie"). I don't remember seeing my name in the vast list of Acknowledgements, however.

[bcdb]

Hi Again!

This is the other Dave...

I DO have a fairly complete Lantz filmography... if you would like it Dave, please let me know. I know someone else was looking for Lantz info to start an online filmography, I think I sent you a private message in that regard... again, just let me know!

Kind of funny- this tread was started because Anima-Datebase was off the web. When we first started BCDB, it was with Anima-Database's help! Nobuo Mochizuki was kind enough to provide a dump of his data to get us started. So that data is still around!

Have a great day

Dave