Late Night Black and White 10-15-2001

[Pilmedium]

We Aim to Please (Popeye) (copyrighted 1934)
The Spinach Overture (Popeye) (copyrighted 1935)
You Gotta be a Football Hero (Popeye) (copyrighted 1935)
Popeye Meets William Tell (Popeye) (copyrighted 1940)
Little Swee'Pea (Popeye) (copyrighted 1936)
I Eats My Spinach (Popeye) (copyrighted 1933)
Onion Pacific (Popeye) (copyrighted 1940)

[Argus Sventon]

All B&W Popeyes? Has CN begun airing the restored Popeyes, or are these the aap or "dubbed" versions?

[lislebartman]

Wow! I can't wait to get out of this soul-sucking hellhole (my place of employment) so I can go home and watch last night's show! Gives me something to look forward to...:D

[hiphats]

...and still, no Bosko, no Buddy. At least this week we have a good excuse.

I think this could possibly have been a "Popeye" special edition.

Gee, I wouldn't mind an all-Captain And The Kids show, or a Porky Pig. But please, not Betty Boop!

[John Doe]

Originally posted by Argus Sventon
All B&W Popeyes? Has CN begun airing the restored Popeyes, or are these the aap or "dubbed" versions?

All of the Popeyes aired on last night's LNB&W apparently were AAP versions but had the AAP title cards clipped out.

[alstin]

Does anyone know why at the bottom of that "boat" openning of Popeye it gives credit to Paramount Productions? Also, is that the original beginig/ If not, which is?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Jack]

The original beginning had the Paramount mountain, then it went to the ship-door opening. You can see it on Jerry Beck's original titles page.



Jack:D

[Nelson]

It's because the Popeye cartoons were released by Parmount Pictures aka Parmount productions.The studio changed to Paramount Productions or Paramount Publix in mid 1930, after the original studio was called Paramount/Famous Players/Lasky.

[Argus Sventon]

Originally posted by Nelson
It's because the Popeye cartoons were released by Parmount Pictures aka Parmount productions.The studio changed to Paramount Productions or Paramount Publix in mid 1930, after the original studio was called Paramount/Famous Players/Lasky.

When the first Popeye cartoons were released in 1933, Paramount was in bankruptcy, and I think that is the reason, why they were copyrighted by Paramount Productions. The theatrical posters bore a copyright by Paramount Pictures Distributing Corporation.

After Paramount emerged from bankruptcy, they were now Paramount Pictures, Inc. Starting in the 1938-39 season, the cartoons now bore the copyright in the Paramount font. Around 1949, the copyright was changed to Paramount Pictures Corporation, when Paramount divested their theater division.

The first ever Popeye cartoon does have the Paramount mountain, during the opening credits, minus stars. AAP did keep this on their print.

[Crazy Tom]

Originally posted by Argus Sventon
The first ever Popeye cartoon does have the Paramount mountain, during the opening credits, minus stars. AAP did keep this on their print.

But wasn't the first Popeye cartoon a film with Betty Boop? The song's called "Strike Up The Band", and I thought it had the Paramount Publix opening. Was there a specific title to the 1932 masterpiece?

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Argus Sventon


...the Paramount mountain...

anybody know the name of the mountain?

[Jack]

Originally posted by happyheathen


anybody know the name of the mountain?
Beats me, the mountain looks different all the time, so I doubt it's a specific one. Sometimes it looks like Mount St. Hellens (sp???) before it blew up, though.


Jack:D

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Jack

Beats me, the mountain looks different all the time, so I doubt it's a specific one. Sometimes it looks like Mount St. Hellens (sp???) before it blew up, though.


Jack:D

oops...

if there is more than one shot of it, it probably isn't the same one I'm thinking of (I hated popeye then, still hate him now, so I don't look him up).

Anyway, the circle-of-stars-around-a-mountain I remember is Mt. Fuji, unless I'm wrong (again)

[J Lee]

IIRC, the Paramount mountain is supposed to be based on one of the mountains in the European Alps, though the image has changed so much over the years it's closer to just a generic snow-capped peak nowadays.

Of course, in the original endings to the first few Popeyes, the Fleischers used an inkwell with rubber stopper going back into the opening on top to represent the Paramount mountain, so I guess that's about as far away from Mont Blanc (or whatever mountain it is) that you can get in terms of design.

[laugh4me]

I can't personally speak with authority on this, but long ago a colleague of mine [who was really good with movie studio history] told me that noone really knows what mountain it is based upon for certain. You can find "experts" who claim any one of about 4 or 5 different peaks as the inspiration. Some also claim it isn't based on a single peak but rather it borrows from several different ones. As they say in some circles, "we may never know for certain"... ;)

Fuji is probably the most likely candidate. I think that the others he listed included Shasta, Rainier and a couple others which have faded from my memory...

[BobChief]

alstin:
Does anyone know why at the bottom of that "boat" openning of Popeye it gives credit to Paramount Productions? Also, is that the original beginig/ If not, which is?:confused: :confused: :confused:

What's he saying,
and it's very much true,
is that two or three Fleischer Popeyes actually had TWO copyright notices,
one under the Popeye title,
and again under the title of the 'toon inside the doors.

I've seen them now and again on LNBW,
and back in the syndicated days.
I'm guessing these were merely oversights on Paramount's part...

The true original opens supposedly won't be seen until "I'm Popeye!" debuts...

[Argus Sventon]

Originally posted by BobChief


What's he saying,
and it's very much true,
is that two or three Fleischer Popeyes actually had TWO copyright notices,
one under the Popeye title,
and again under the title of the 'toon inside the doors.

I've seen them now and again on LNBW,
and back in the syndicated days.
I'm guessing these were merely oversights on Paramount's part...

The true original opens supposedly won't be seen until "I'm Popeye!" debuts...

I'm guessing that other copyright was the "BY ARRANGEMENT WITH KING FEATURES SYNDICATE AND SEGAR" disclaimer.

[J Lee]

The "By Arrangement with King Features Syndicate and Segar" notice appeared on every Popeye cartoon though mid-1939. When they dropped Adolph Zukor's name from the opening titles and replaced it with "Paramount Presents a Max Fleischer Cartoon," they forgot to change the Segar notice; he wasn't arranging anything by January 1939 since he had died several months earlier. The change was noted when the Fleischers returned to the ship/sliding door opening titles in late 1939 and from then on only KFS' name was part of the opening title notices until the series ended in 1957.

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by Argus Sventon
I'm guessing that other copyright was the "BY ARRANGEMENT WITH KING FEATURES SYNDICATE AND SEGAR" disclaimer.


The title cards for "Shiver Me Timbers!", "Axe Me Another", "A Dream Walking", "The Two Alarm Fire", and "The Dance Contest" say "Adolph Zukor Presents A Max Fleischer Cartoon Popeye the Sailor Copyright MCMXXXIV by Paramount Productions Inc.", though the copyright part is missing from the redrawns except "Axe Me Another".

[Sogturtle]

You can sue me for this if you like, but the Paramount-ain has always been Mt. Shasta to me... Now if I could just remember where I read that nugget long, long ago... hmmmmm...

[happyheathen]

Originally posted by Sogturtle
You can sue me for this if you like, but the Paramount-ain has always been Mt. Shasta to me... Now if I could just remember where I read that nugget long, long ago... hmmmmm...

OK -

your fuzzy memory v. mine -

I remember an early sixties bit of crap starring Jerry Lewis, who, upon landing in Japan, looked up to see the peak of Mt. Fuji, which was then shown in a circle of stars - a visual gag of the Paramount logo

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by happyheathen
I remember an early sixties bit of crap starring Jerry Lewis, who, upon landing in Japan, looked up to see the peak of Mt. Fuji, which was then shown in a circle of stars - a visual gag of the Paramount logo


"The Geisha Boy" ends with Jerry Lewis chomping on a carrot and saying "Th-th-that's all folks!".

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by happyheathen


OK -

your fuzzy memory v. mine -

I remember an early sixties bit of crap starring Jerry Lewis, who, upon landing in Japan, looked up to see the peak of Mt. Fuji, which was then shown in a circle of stars - a visual gag of the Paramount logo

Not being a Jerry Lewis fiend makes me unable to comment (maybe too many viewings of Labor Day telethons). Buuuuuut the original of this live-action classic gag goes back to the mid-Forties. I speak of the sublimely wonderful Bob Hope and Bing Crosby outing "Road To Utopia". In this 1946 release Hope and Crosby were long-time partners/gold-miners. At one point with a prominent mountain on the horizon, Crosby is exulting over the gorgeous snowy scenery. Bob responds by looking at the looming mountain and saying "Yeah and get a load of at that bread and butter!!". Crosby is suitably shocked at anybody seeing bread and butter out amongst the incredible natural beauty. Hope then exclaims as stars AND Paramount logo (plus fanfare) appear around the mountain "May be a mountain to you but it's bread and butter to me!!". (The mountain depicted is markedly different from the Paramount-ain at the film's opening). Precisely eight minutes later while ice-fishing Bob has a close-encounter of the Avery kind (ala "Speaking Of Animals"), when a fish pops its piscatorial noggin out of the frigid water and asks (via animation) where Bob's pal has gone... (Tis a pity Tex had bailed out of the "Speaking Of Animals" crew long before this film :()

[J Lee]

iPrecisely eight minutes later while ice-fishing Bob has a close-encounter of the Avery kind (ala "Speaking Of Animals"), when a fish pops its piscatorial noggin out of the frigid water and asks (via animation) where Bob's pal has gone... (Tis a pity Tex had bailed out of the "Speaking Of Animals" crew long before this film )

I think Tex was around, or had just left the series, when they animated the camel's lips for the one liner in "Road To Morocco." (Paramount being in live-action comedy between 1929-55 what Warner's was in animation; the studio willing to try anything once to see if it works)

[BobChief]

Argus Sventon:
I'm guessing that other copyright was the "BY ARRANGEMENT WITH KING FEATURES SYNDICATE AND SEGAR" disclaimer.

As has already been posted (J Lee), the "by arrangement" has appeared in one form or another on all 'Par' Popeyes. [that's the abbrev Variety uses]

What I said was, that in a small number of Popeyes, a copyright line crediting Paramount Productions appeared on BOTH the Popeye title (unusually...), AND the following title of the specific 'toon (as usual...)

If I see any in the near future, I'll let'cha's know, aw-wight?

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by Sogturtle


Not being a Jerry Lewis fiend makes me unable to comment (maybe too many viewings of Labor Day telethons). Buuuuuut the original of this live-action classic gag goes back to the mid-Forties. I speak of the sublimely wonderful Bob Hope and Bing Crosby outing "Road To Utopia". In this 1946 release Hope and Crosby were long-time partners/gold-miners. At one point with a prominent mountain on the horizon, Crosby is exulting over the gorgeous snowy scenery. Bob responds by looking at the looming mountain and saying "Yeah and get a load of at that bread and butter!!". Crosby is suitably shocked at anybody seeing bread and butter out amongst the incredible natural beauty. Hope then exclaims as stars AND Paramount logo (plus fanfare) appear around the mountain "May be a mountain to you but it's bread and butter to me!!". (The mountain depicted is markedly different from the Paramount-ain at the film's opening). Precisely eight minutes later while ice-fishing Bob has a close-encounter of the Avery kind (ala "Speaking Of Animals"), when a fish pops its piscatorial noggin out of the frigid water and asks (via animation) where Bob's pal has gone... (Tis a pity Tex had bailed out of the "Speaking Of Animals" crew long before this film :()


The next one, "Road to Rio", used "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man" as background music in one scene.