Another Disney Sequel Coming

[James Harvey]

www.comingsoon.net reports that a sequel to HERCULES is in the works. Here's the info:

Hercules is now living in Athens with Megara and their daughter,
Hebe. However when an old friend named Helen is captured by the evil
Paris of Troy, Hercules joins the united Greek army as they head out to
war. However this war will create revelations, including Hercules finding
an old friend that went missing...

There will be new characters including, of course, a kid. Another *great* Disney sequel...

[Failure]

Another straight to video affair, I'm guessing?

[James Harvey]

Yup. Another straight to vid affair. They got HUNCHBACK 2, TARZAN 2, MULAN 2, CINDERELLA 2, LION KING 3, DUMBO 2, JUNGLE BOOK 2, PETER PAN 2 (theatrical), and a possible LADY & THE TRAMP 3 in the works. They really do know how to ruin their movies and milk them for every penny.

[Jowy Blight]

ARGH!! The attack of the sequels!

Who wants to bet that the kid will somehow be the focus of this movie? Or is it KWB that I'm thinking of right now?

[RockItShipper]

I'd imagine it's the same Helen from the tv show(voiced by Jodi Benson). She was a classmate of his and all. I'd think the missing old friend will be one of Herc's 2 best school-day buddies like Icarus or Cassandra. But it's just a first draft, so they may just stick in a new character out of the blue like in LATT2.

[Captain Caps]

Hercules is now living in Athens with Megara and their daughter,
Hebe.-quoted from Dick Grayson

Wow...it seems that Archie Bunker was involved in the development of this movie (Obscure joke, kids! Ask your parents!:D )

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[Calhoun07]

Just another movie to ignore. I mean, really, who here, besides die hard Disney fans and gullible parents, will want to buy these videos?

[James Harvey]

I just can't see anything good coming of any of these DTV movies. The animation ain't that great and the recent sequels all had essentially the same plot.

[The Dork Knight]

Think they'll make a sequel to the "classic" movie Titanic: The Animated Movie?

- Peter "Gotlucky may get lucky tommarow" Melnick

P.S. I was being sarcastic about Titanic the Animated Movie being classic.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
I'd think the missing old friend will be one of Herc's 2 best school-day buddies like Icarus or Cassandra. But it's just a first draft, so they may just stick in a new character out of the blue like in LATT2.

Well, this sounds like the Trojan War with Herc thrown in, so I wouldn't be surprised if the missing friend was Odysseus, main char. in the Iliad and the Odyssey. He was on those voyages for a long time, as I recall, so long that his family assumed that he was dead.

It's nice to see Disney destroy history and classic literature, isn't it, kids?

[killercroc]

Originally posted by Captain Caps
Hercules is now living in Athens with Megara and their daughter,
Hebe.-quoted from Dick Grayson

Wow...it seems that Archie Bunker was involved in the development of this movie (Obscure joke, kids! Ask your parents!:D )

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

Hey now, remember you live in a world of TV Land! BTW- Welcome to the boards! Have fun here!

[Lonestarr]

Originally posted by Gotlucky64
Think they'll make a sequel to the "classic" movie Titanic: The Animated Movie?

- Peter "Gotlucky may get lucky tommarow" Melnick

P.S. I was being sarcastic about Titanic the Animated Movie being classic.

I remember a Robert Smigel animated short on SNL called "Titey". It featured the voices of (and I'm not making this up) Jason Alexander, Whoopi Goldberg, Gilbert Gottfried and Molly Ringwald. I'm pretty sure that they also used the announcer for several Disney trailers; Brian Cummings (I don't know if he's related to Jim) is his name, I believe. I loved the line at the end: "Buy this, or your children will hate you." That seems to be Disney's thinking about the drivel they're gonna put out.

Believe it or not, they're considering "101 Dalmatians 2" as a future project. It's official: I hate Disney. As if "101 Dalmatians: the Series" wasn't enough of an insult...

On an up note, one of the best Disney films aired last night on ABC: "The Emperor's New Groove". It's even funnier the second time. If you have anything even remotely resembling a sense of humor, you'll rent it, buy it...oh, hell, just watch it! You'll be glad you did. Okay, so I don't hate Disney, but I'm very angry at them.

[BourgeoisBuffoon]

SAID BY JOE TULLY:It's nice to see Disney destroy history and classic literature, isn't it, kids?

Imagine some of the test answers that may pop up...

....but it's truly sad. Disney's greatest tales (some of them) being hacked up to peices with a sequel. The plots will be rehashes of #1, I'm very certain. Only with the fact the previous hero's happy with a family and leader of the area, and the kid taking up the mantle as Jowy said.

With Disney in financial trouble is also part of the reason they're doing this, most new films have not been good sellers. Execs think we want to see our fav char's lifes again...we do, in a way... but not in the future like this!

...On the WB Club board there was talk of a Roger Rabbit 2 movie...it was actually worked on for a bit, but thankfully it was forced to be scrapped. :)

[Shriek]

Mulan 2 would be awesome. I always liked the first one. But I highly doubt they could think of a plot for a second one. And yet alone get Eddie Murphey back as Mushu.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Shriek
Mulan 2 would be awesome. I always liked the first one. But I highly doubt they could think of a plot for a second one. And yet alone get Eddie Murphey back as Mushu.

They could always get a sound-alike like they did for the Aladdin TV series and sequels. Though I think they might have brought back Williams for the 3rd Aladdin movie...

[don Jaime]

God, this sounds awful. Paris was stupid, sure, but evil? Herakles was DEAD by the time of the Trojan War! Hebe is supposed to be Hera and Zeus's daughter, dangit!

This missing friend? Twenty bucks says Philoctetes. He did disappear for most of the war but Achilles' son Neoptolemos fetched him because they couldn't win without him. Of course, he wasn't a satyr, either, so maybe I should rethink that bet....

Man, Cap, what a pun! It gave me the Hebe-jeebies!

[The Dork Knight]

Originally posted by Joe Tully


They could always get a sound-alike like they did for the Aladdin TV series and sequels. Though I think they might have brought back Williams for the 3rd Aladdin movie...

During the show and 2nd movie Dan Castadenda played Genie. Other roles include Homer Simpson and Grandpa from "Hey Arnold".

[LightAngel]

I can't say that I'm all that surprised anymore. I think we should all write a protest letter to Disney to tell them how foolish they're being.

[RockItShipper]

The Hercules tv show had him going to school with Cassandra, Icarus, Helen, maybe Odysseus' son Telemachus(I just remember seeing an ep with him), dating Medusa... The whole thing's a chronological mess, more concerned with using the wealth of available characters/stories from the whole Greek canon and altering it for the Disney Afternoon format.

Except one.

How's this for Hercules 2? Hercules goes to Thebes after getting word from Oedipus that the Sphinx has returned. Oedipus had defeated it some years before, but it has returned and can only be stopped by force this time. Or is something else going on in the city that allows the Sphinx to strike unabated? :p

[don Jaime]

Which gives me a chance to plug my Chicken Boo as Oedipus fanfic....

The Sphinx committed suicide when Oedipus answered the question. Not that that would slow Disney down.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by don Jaime
Which gives me a chance to plug my Chicken Boo as Oedipus fanfic....

The Sphinx committed suicide when Oedipus answered the question. Not that that would slow Disney down.

Maxie says, go check out that fanfic. It's very good.

Disney and the returning Sphinx? We'd be lucky if it didn't come with little baby sphinxes in tow.

[RockItShipper]

Problem is that baby Sphinxes aren't scary. I'd just like to see Disney approach Oedipus... It'd be like watching a train wreck.

Although, going on mythological accuracies....
The original Hercules was not the legitimate offspring of Zeus and Hera.
Hera, not Hades, was his main enemy.
Hercules' first wife was a princess named Megara. They had a family together, and then Hera made Hercules go mad. In his madness, Hercules killed Megara and their children. The punishment for it wound up being the super-deeds depicted in the "Zero to Hero" number in the Disney movie.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
I'd just like to see Disney approach Oedipus... It'd be like watching a train wreck.

And this would be different from most Disney movies how? :p

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


And this would be different from most Disney movies how? :p

Wow. You hate Disney more than me... ;)

Seriously, though... bringing anything from another medium, sometimes even another era... You have changes that need to be made. Granted, Disney's can be some of the silliest from making a happy ending where there was none to inserting animals and talking inanimate objects and such...

I dunno, just think it'd be funny if Disney took a well-known bit of history or myth like Oedipus... They'd probably drop the family angle and decrease the age difference between Oedipus and Jocasta

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
I dunno, just think it'd be funny if Disney took a well-known bit of history or myth like Oedipus... They'd probably drop the family angle and decrease the age difference between Oedipus and Jocasta

Are you kidding? Incest, murder, vengeful gods, spite and general mayhem? The thing would have to be cleaned up entirely before they would touch it.

Nor is it hard to imagine how it would get cleaned up. Disney is so danged predictable I can write the scenario out in only 5 minutes:

We open with Oedipus as a poor young shepherd who dreams about leaving home (insert stupid Elton John song here). His aged parents are sympathetic, and reveal that they are not his real parents, and tell the story of finding him abandoned on a hillside. That inspires Oedipus, accompanied by a funny animal sidekick, to go on a quest to find his true family. There is some phony baloney about a ring or other such heirloom.

Along the way he meets a traveling nobleman and his entourage. Oedipus, being basically a hick American stuck in ancient times, makes a big deal about no one being better than anyone else and refuses to give way to the entourage. A fight is averted when the nobleman agrees with Oedipus and steps out of the way for him. A few hours later, while climbing a hill, Oedipus sees smoke in the distance where the nobleman's party should be. He runs back to it and finds that everyone there has been butchered by bandits. For totally unfathomable reasons he decides to feel responsible for it. (Insert another song.)

He comes to Thebes, where everyone is suffering from the plague. It turns out the nobleman was the king of Thebes on a quest to find a cure. Because he feels responsible for the king's death, Oedipus takes up the challenge. A few more sidekicks tag along. There follow a series of comic adventures as Oedipus tracks down Tireseus (is that his name?) and finds out that the villainous Sphinx is responsible for it all. Why? No reason is given. More adventures climaxing in a huge battle with the firebreathing Sphinx -- but no riddles.

Returning to Thebes, Oedipus is about the marry the widowed queen Jocasta when Tiresias totters forward and tells him that he can't marry Jocasta unless he shows them proof of his regal nature. So Oedipus produces the ring, which Jocasta identifies as belonging to the infant son she and her husband had been forced to abandon years before because they were unmarried at the time. (No mention of prophecy, natch.) Of course, the wedding is called off immediately, but there is general rejoicing at the family reunion of mother and son. But Oedipus will have none of it, because his quest has shown him that all that matters is what you make of yourself. So he leaves, to another bittersweet Elton John ballad.

Ew. I feel so dirty now. Like I just told Hitler how to build a nuclear bomb, or Osama where to get some good, cheap anthrax.

[RockItShipper]

2 things: Do you think it would even come to Oedipus having been conceived outta wedlock or even being approached as a potential husband for Jocasta?

I think almost anything's fair game for Disney if a familiar name's involved, even if the story's got to be cleaned up in a big way. I think Oedipus has particular challenges, b/c of Freud's use of it.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
2 things: Do you think it would even come to Oedipus having been conceived outta wedlock or even being approached as a potential husband for Jocasta?

I think almost anything's fair game for Disney if a familiar name's involved, even if the story's got to be cleaned up in a big way. I think Oedipus has particular challenges, b/c of Freud's use of it.

I bet Disney would tackel even DANTE'S INFERNO if they think they could get some cute sidekicks and hilarious animals in there. I can picture it now...DANTE'S HOT NEW GROOVE!

[HellCat]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
Hercules' first wife was a princess named Megara. They had a family together, and then Hera made Hercules go mad. In his madness, Hercules killed Megara and their children. The punishment for it wound up being the super-deeds depicted in the "Zero to Hero" number in the Disney movie.

Thanks, I didn't know that. I'm really interested in Greek myth and love hearing new parts of it :)

[Captain Caps]

That just reminded me of a Disney trivia fact. They passed on "Back To The Future" when it was offered to them. Why? Because of implied possible incest. Needless to say, Disney's loss was Universal's gain (although it doesn't seem that way in light of the fact that "BTTF" always gets knocked down a notch on the all-time box-office hit list when Disney, "BTTF" exec producer Spielberg, Cameron, et al., release another movie).

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson


I bet Disney would tackel even DANTE'S INFERNO if they think they could get some cute sidekicks and hilarious animals in there. I can picture it now...DANTE'S HOT NEW GROOVE!

Disney's OJ! With a talking dog! After all, if Hercules and the wife he murdered can live happily ever after in Disney's version- then someone who got off in a 'real' trial and such... :p

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
2 things: Do you think it would even come to Oedipus having been conceived outta wedlock

You're probably right. :rolleyes: I was just trying to come up with SOME reason for why they would have abandoned him. But now that I think of it, they wouldn't have abandoned him. No, bandits stole him when he was an infant. Or an evil uncle.

[DR. BELCH]

Dick Grayson:
I bet Disney would tackel even DANTE'S INFERNO if they think they could get some cute sidekicks and hilarious animals in there.
I've proposed that idea several times here, and demanded it be a faithful retelling...but if they do it, even if they bugger it up, I'm bloody well asking for royalties. Dirty money, maybe, but it's still money.... ;)
Maybe I'll pitch them The Epic of Gilgamesh next....

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by RockItShipper


Disney's OJ! With a talking dog! After all, if Hercules and the wife he murdered can live happily ever after in Disney's version- then someone who got off in a 'real' trial and such... :p

Ha! I'm sure they could twist any current event no matter how grim into some happy ending fairy tale where everybody lives or something.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


You're probably right. :rolleyes: I was just trying to come up with SOME reason for why they would have abandoned him. But now that I think of it, they wouldn't have abandoned him. No, bandits stole him when he was an infant. Or an evil uncle.

Jocasta's brother Creon!

Of course, the whole abandonment thing could be explained away with one of the following:
-The Sphinx was plaguing Thebes and the royal parents wanted to protect their son by sending him to a safe place.
-A skewed version of the prophecy from the Delphi oracle. "Your son will die if you raise him", or some such bs...

Oh geez... I can picture this more and more... :rolleyes:

[DR. BELCH]

--Rocky suggested a Disney version of the O.J. Simpson story...but actually, it already exists as Shakespeare's Othello. The Moor is Orenthal James Simpson...Desdemona is Nicole...Kato Kaelin is Iago (not the parrot in Aladdin, the other one)...Kato the Dog is voiced by John Travolta...and the bloodstained handkerchief is voiced by either Rosie Perez or Judy Tenuta. :D I thought also of putting Dylan's "Hurricane" on the soundtrack, but the big difference there is that Ruben Carter was actually innocent of murder.... ;)

[Cyclops]

I think a second Tarzan would be cool, but the others sound like crap. In fact the only decent Disney sequel was Toy Story 2.

[Shriek]

Originally posted by Batman
I think a second Tarzan would be cool, but the others sound like crap. In fact the only decent Disney sequel was Toy Story 2.

And that turned out better than the original. Look at Lion King 2. That one blowed.

[Nightwing]

Ya know, since we hate pointless sequals so much, this could be a GOOD thing. I think in Mythology Hercules eventually goes crazy and kills Meg, doesn't he? lol. Animate THAT!

[Captain Caps]

Re: "Othello", O.J and Disney

...and the bloodstained handkerchief is voiced by either Rosie Perez or Judy Tenuta. :D -quote from Dr. Belch

Belch, you wicked man! ;) :p :D Only you, dude!:cool:

Anyway, who voices The Moor and Desdemona? I cast my vote for Cuba Gooding Jr. as The Moor. Don't know who I'd pick for Desdemona. Let me give Othello a read, and I'll see what I can come up with. Hey, I'm a dreamer when it comes to the movies, and I'm with the consensus here that we wouldn't put it past Disney to do this.

Ooh, could we do a Disney musical based on the killers who inspired "Silence Of The Lambs", or at least "SOTL" itself?

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[RockItShipper]

And Eminiem can do the music!

I've heard there's this song he did with Dr. Dre where the two express their mutual respect for eachother and shared desire to off the woman Em was married to at the time.

[Singin' Stray Cat]

Speaking of Disney sequels... check out this humor page's take on it.

New Disney Classics (http://www.laffnow.com/?joke=357)

My favorite: Disney's "No Exit." Oh brother... :rolleyes:

[Captain Caps]

For once, I think Eminem's music would make sense. I still hate the guy, his songs and truthfully his whole being, but many of the songs are "O.J enough" in their ultraviolence to make sense in the context of an animated "Othello"/O.J animated movie.

Sincerely,

John "Captain Caps" Kilduff

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Singin' Stray Cat
Speaking of Disney sequels... check out this humor page's take on it.

New Disney Classics (http://www.laffnow.com/?joke=357)


Hehe. Very evil and very funny.

[James Harvey]

Another question, to we really need a HUNCHBACK 2? Granted, I did like the original (it was one helluva dark film with a breath taking opening sequence) but the new Jennifer Love Hewitt character just...makes it look bad. And the animation? Dea rlord those commercial make it look bad...

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
Another question, to we really need a HUNCHBACK 2? Granted, I did like the original (it was one helluva dark film with a breath taking opening sequence) but the new Jennifer Love Hewitt character just...makes it look bad. And the animation? Dea rlord those commercial make it look bad...

In the sequel, the hunchback actually has a love interest (rather than his potential love interest falling for the handsome and devilish guard), a girl who "follows the beat of her own drummer", so to speak (Oh Disney, how I love your cliches), and is different, just like Quasimodo. Someone fetch me a basin..

Yup.....I have to admit I liked the first Hunchback too..

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Nightflower


Yup.....I have to admit I liked the first Hunchback too..

The sequence in the first one, with the priest chasing down Quasimod's mother in the beginning is just intense. I was glued to the screen for that entire sequence. I may pick up the DVD.

The sequels just sounds really bad. The commercial for it look pretty poor. The animation in one sequence (where it's raining) is just laughable.

[The Mad Hatter]

I'm a big fan of the original Hunchback too. The opening sequence blew me away, as did the "Hellfire" song. Heck, I even liked the gargoyles (of course, it helps that I dig gargoyles in general).

[James Harvey]

The Gargoyles were actually tolerable, I found. A really good under-rated movie. I can still remember the controversy around it, about how parents thought the film was inapproporiate. The "Hellfire" song was also an amazing part. The visuals were just amazing. I even didn't mind the happy ending that much.

[The Mad Hatter]

Yeah, even though there was no way they could remain true to the novel (where everyone dies), I thought they did a good job channeling much of its mood and spirit.

Anyone know when it'll be out on DVD?

[James Harvey]

It's coming out sometime next year to coincide with it's sequel. I think the sequel hits March, and the original a bit later.

[The Mad Hatter]

Well, at least some good will come out of the release of the sequel.