About animes and fanfiction

[Jave]

Some time ago, I ran into a Digimon site (which I'm not posting here, since who knows if the owner is a member) in which the author posted some fanfictions he wrote, as well as pictures. I decided to take a look at his stories and noticed that in every fanfic, he placed a note asking people to ignore the actual Digimon ending and take his story as "the real thing". After reading, I noticed that most of his fanfics were actual episodes of the show, except that he changes all the Matt/Sora stuff into Tai/Sora. Yeah, he's one of those people obsessed with an anime couple.

Don't get me wrong, I have absoultely NOTHING against fanfics that do not follow the canon of a show (I've done that myself), but when a writer starts writing just for people to take his stories as "part of the real show", I think there is a problem with that person.

Sad, isn't it?

[DianaGohan]

This reminds me of a quote I read about Digimon fanfiction taken from the owner of a Matt/Mimi fansite

"Our motto here is: 'Screw the writers, I'll
believe what I want!'"

Which is the basis for MANY romantic fanfics, espically anime ones, espically yaoi/yuri anime ones.

[RAINMAN]

This reminds me of a quote I read about Digimon fanfiction taken from the owner of a Matt/Mimi fansite



Which is the basis for MANY romantic fanfics, espically anime ones, espically yaoi/yuri anime ones.

I don`t like force couple either. Not just yaoi/yuri, but the one that have characters pair up that don`t have nothing in common or ones when the 2 never got alone whit each other.

DB: bulma/goku or vegeta/18
Eva: shinj/aoyko ( I think thats how her name is spell)
Tenchi: tenchi/ryoko
RK: sano/miss magumi

[Mek]

Yep, I agree.

I mean, I may not like a certain pairing, but do I go and forcibly change it? No. Granted, you can have a little fun once in a while, but I wouldn't go around with my Super Smash Brothers fics and say: "Oh look, here's Peach/Marth, it's an official couple!"

Actually, I don't mind the 'strange' character pairings if they actually make sense... (Truth be told, once F-Zero: Falcon Densetsu arrives in the states, I'm expecting Goroh/Lisa fics that 'explain' where Dai Goroh came from. Go figure! )

[Conekiller]

Eva: shinj/aoyko ( I think thats how her name is spell)

What?

Tenchi: tenchi/ryoko

WHAT!?

anyway, this is the reason I have sworn off most fanfics. the Invader ZIM one are just as bad ( ZIM and Dib O_0 Dib and Gaz O_O???)

[Elven Moon]

The kind of fanfiction I can't stand is 'self insertion', or the official term "Mary Sue/Marty Stu."

When the author puts themself into an anime, manages to look model (nay, god/dess) perfect, steals the heart of one or more of the canon characters, has all these wonderful powers, etc. that's what bugs me the most.

But I also hate hentai, lemon, lime, and otherwise annoying/innapropriate content.

[Mek]

Ahhh yes, the Mary Sue/Self-Insert.

Personally, I don't mind original characters. It's when they get all perfect and god/goddess-like that really tarks me off.

[Beat]

Exactly!

And then there's overdone crossovers. Please, if you're gonna have a serious crossover, PLEASE make it make sense.

[A.Magik]

Exactly!

And then there's overdone crossovers. Please, if you're gonna have a serious crossover, PLEASE make it make sense.

Tell me about it. I've seen a bunch of X-overs that try to establish two environmentally different stories are from the same world. For instance, Tenchi Muyo, X-Men, or Sailor Moon existing in the DBZ world (Sorry, I really don't see that). Now, if the cast of Sailor Moon, X-Men, or Tenchi Muyo travelled through dimensions to the DBZ world, I can buy it. If the X-Men, Tenchi-Muyo, and Sailor Moon existed in the same world, I can buy that too (the environments are exactly the same).

A.Magik

[Sora Takenouchi]

I don`t like force couple either. Not just yaoi/yuri, but the one that have characters pair up that don`t have nothing in common or ones when the 2 never got alone whit each other.

I like the idea of non-canon couples. I think it's a great way to exercise creativity. If the author/ess is really talented s/he can take two characters that have no chance in hell of hooking up, make them hook up and make it believable.

It's just hard finding writers with said talent. Same with self-insertions. They annoy me to no end since so many take the Mary Sue route. And the outrageous crossovers are pretty bad as well.

And I agree writers that take their fanfics and proclaim them as law are pathetic.

[Beat]

Crossovers are the hardest thing. I got a request to do a G.I. Joe/SM crossover. I think I got something though.

The main trick is making something believable if you're going to be serious, and something funny if you're not. Either way, it's hard.

Perfect Example- Someone did a G1 Transformers/SM joke fic where Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave land in an alternate universe Tokyo. It's hillarious at first, with all the main grounds covered (lesbian outer senshi, Decepticons laughing at the senshi, Soundwave dececting love and happiness) but then the author falls to a classic pitfall.

The Mary Sue self-instertion.

[Jave]

The x-overs that work the most seem to be the ones that make a spoof at a reality show, with the contestants being characters from different animated shows.

And why DBZ/SM has its very own category at fanfiction.net (with +1100 stories), is beyond me.

[Mek]

Would 'Super Smash Brothers Melee' count as a crossover fic? XD

SSBMelee fic is so hard to get just right, because most people either turn EVERYONE (even characters like Samus, Ganondorf and Mewtwo) into blithering Xbox/PS2 slamming buffoons; or angsty-esque carbon copies of the 'Justice Leauge'. I don't think I've come across any *really* good SSB fanfic yet. (I've written my own stuff, but it's rather short stuff)

I also have yet to see a decent Metroid/F-Zero crossover. Those are two series that CAN be crossed over; but it's *very* tricky to get to perfection.

Mindless crossovers for the sake of bashing another series or character is just *lame*. I'll admit I did that one when I was young, but luckly I didn't have a computer at the time.

Sora: Oh, I love non-canon character romance. Only when two characters are being paired for the sake of being paired is what really gets my goat.

[MattThomasM2B]

Yes, Mary Sue insertion fics do blow it.

But that's not to say that fanfictions with original characters also blow it. Those characters just have to not cross that line between original character an self-insertion.

[Kati]

Well... I've been reading (and making attempts at writing) fics for almost 3 years, and I agree with most of what you've said:

- Mary-Sues: I don't mind original characters, and I think that they can be good elements on a fic, except when they are SO perfect. I mean, it gets boring to read those kind of fics. But I think that Mary-Sues also include the characters from the anime/series you are writing about: For example, a Takari fic (Takeru and Hikari from Digimon 01/02) where one of them is SO perfect that all the guys/girls fall for him/her immediately, is beautiful, smart, noble, etc., etc. It's easy to fall in this category when you write about you fave character, so it takes a lot of skill (and an objetive friend) to avoid this mistake.

- Cross-Overs: This are EXTREMELY difficult. And I can say that from experience: My first fic was a LAME crossover between Pokémon and DIgimon that was fun to write but I think it's a pain to read. There's a point where one of the series you are writing about takes all the attention and the other not. In my case, I can say that after writing the adventures of Tai and Co. in the Pokéworld for several chapters it got to a point where I forgot about Ash and Co.

May I add one of my pet peeves in fics?: Bashing Fics. I hate them!!. In the Digimon fandom there are a load of Davis bashing and Jun bashing fics that shows them completelly OOC (as idiots, murederers, you name it) just to be the villians who want to break the "perfect couple" (Usually Takari, Mimato or Sorato)

I love non-canon couples, and I admire the writters that make them believable for the reader, without making them OOC (Out of character) or forgetting the canon plot of the anime/series.

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

There's been a rare few fanfics I've read where the original characters weren't there to be specifically perfect and adored. Although it's a shounen-ai fic, I remember being FLOORED by the Weiss Kreuz story "Eyes on Me" because the characters that the author created seemed so real. Some you hated, some were cool, some were so ****ing screwed that you wanted to avoid them at all costs, but they were HUMAN. They had personalities, they fit in perfectly with the established canon.....Wow....After so many stinkers and irritating Mary-Sues, I was in awe. For a non-shounen-ai, probably "The White Dog" came to as perfect an original-characters-added fanfic has ever come in my mind....::sighs:: It was just so wonderful to see original characters written into the story so well.

[RAINMAN]

I don`t like crossover. Espiacly the ones that are base off 2 anime series that has nothing in common like SM and DBZ. Why are there so many Crossover on these 2 series is beyond me? Atleast ronin warriors/sm make a a better crossover sense both shows has lots in common that is it`s so scary.

[A.Magik]

I don`t like crossover. Espiacly the ones that are base off 2 anime series that has nothing in common like SM and DBZ. Why are there so many Crossover on these 2 series is beyond me? Atleast ronin warriors/sm make a a better crossover sense both shows has lots in common that is it`s so scary.

Of course, if your reason for writing the crossover is a big battle scene between the two series, you got a problem since one series may be more powerful than the other. However, its probably easier if characterization is your reason.
Me, I'm writing a DBZ/New Mutants (with Tenchi Masaki). Now a lot of people would probably bring me down for the idea that any Marvel comics character is way out of DBZ's league, but I didn't write the story for a fight scene. I think there is some good potential for characterization that has nothing to do with throwing energy blasts (though there is some action).

A.Magik

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

Crossovers are a pain, lemme tell ya. It helps though, if you're not the only one writing it. Someone else may have a better take or more experience with a specific character than you do. For instance, a friend and I are currently pulling a Slayers/Angel Sanctuary cross centering on Phibrizo and Lucifer. I've been writing Phibrizo so long that he's practically a voice in my head telling me what to type. She's done the same with Lucifer. We know exactly how to play the two off each other and have them respond to the two different worlds. It also helps that we bounce ideas and plotlines off each other before writing in whatever we want.

On the other hand, tag-writing a crossover may be an absolute pain in the ass. Someone's not pulling their half of the story, doesn't write for months, or gives up altogether, leaving you to take up the slack with a character you have no idea how to write for, or they may suddenly go off on a tangent and drag you with them, or start writing for your character in a way he or she shouldn't be....

I suppose it all depends on what works. ^^;;;;;

[Mek]

May I add one of my pet peeves in fics?: Bashing Fics. I hate them!!. In the Digimon fandom there are a load of Davis bashing and Jun bashing fics that shows them completelly OOC (as idiots, murederers, you name it) just to be the villians who want to break the "perfect couple" (Usually Takari, Mimato or Sorato)

Exactly! I HATE those as well. I will admit to writing a FF9 fic that bashed Beatrix a few years ago. After I wrote that, I realized how immature it was, and I vowed to NEVER write anything hateful about a character that I didn't like again. (3 years and going...) I mean really... yeah, people have a right to not like a certain character (and for the record, I like Jun from 'Digimon'), but writing a hateful story for the sole purpose of bashing them is just stupid.

Mackenzie: Ahh, tag-writing crossovers and fics in general. I'm a slack-off writer to be honest... that's why I avoid tag-writing whenever possible, though I did hear a nice discussion about it at Otakon earlier this year.