The ignorance continues...

**Killtacular** · 05-05-2002, 01:04 AM

Okay, I have respect for Williams Street, but what the crap are they actually restoring to 0083?

I mean, they said they were fixing the final few episodes, but...

Look at the 0083 promo. It has the scene where the camera is inside of the spaceship and the people inside are ripped apart by an explosion.

But, imagine my surprise(which I'm starting to run out of at this point) when the episode it is contained in, "La Vie En Rose" has editted it out!

Why did WS bother to put the scene in the promo if they weren't planning on putting it back into the actual episode?! Isn't it kind of redundant? I feel ultimately cheated.

I don't want to sound like a *****y otaku, but. I just want to know what the point was.

**zmanjz** · 05-05-2002, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I feel ultimately cheated.

I don't want to sound like a *****y otaku, but. I just want to know what the point was.

No, that's a legitimate gripe. I mean they put it in the promo, and didn't put it in the show (the Ol' Bait and switch).

As for Otaku, Well, You'd have to hate dubbing in all forms to be one of those.

(Otaku demand that all people speak Japanese to experience of absurdly falsetto female voice acting.)

**livingfruitvirus** · 05-05-2002, 01:18 AM

Mr. Wilson's belly ceases to ache. ^_^

**AgentMaxX** · 05-05-2002, 01:25 AM

I don't even watch 0083 anymore. It proved to be edited for children and not worth stay up til 12:30 to watch. I only watch YYH and CB. I refuse to watch shows edited for children. Save yourself the stress and do the same.

**Zero Angel** · 05-05-2002, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by zmanjz

No, that's a legitimate gripe. I mean they put it in the promo, and didn't put it in the show (the Ol' Bait and switch).

As for Otaku, Well, You'd have to hate dubbing in all forms to be one of those.

(Otaku demand that all people speak Japanese to experience of absurdly falsetto female voice acting.)

im sorry i resent that. i enjoy the original seiyuu of quite a few shows...most of which they happen to show on CN. so go ahead and have your closed minded view of what you "THINK" an otaku is but dont openly insult the rest of us.

**Koggit** · 05-05-2002, 10:30 AM

Otaku means geek/nerd. Literally.

Calling someone a computer otaku is like computer nerd. Same for manga otaku (Comic book geek), anime otaku (TV Geek), Otaku is an insult in Japan.

If you call yourself an otaku, you're insulting yourself already.

**Teio** · 05-05-2002, 10:56 AM

Seriously,If Matt Wilson is ticked-off about this,then it must be bad.

**wussiewussie** · 05-05-2002, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Koggit
Otaku is an insult in Japan.

as far as i know it's an accepted term now for an obsession/hobby or something to that degree. this i know because i study japanese at my school and.. well my teacher is pretty obsessed with just about everything about the land and culture so he would know.

**Sheamon** · 05-05-2002, 11:44 AM

Whats this? Sheamon was right about the issue all along? Nuff said. Adult Swim Action is a joke. Call it Baby Swim if you're gonna treat the audience like babies.

**Z_E_R_O** · 05-05-2002, 01:12 PM

It's all about INDIVIDUAL shows, ayways, so watch what you like. Personally, I'm not suprised, it's television. Get yourselves some DVDs and enjoy the show like it was meant....

.....the Gundam DVDs are TIGHT & sorely underrated, IMHO......

......and for me that's in JAPANESE. Why? Not because I think people should be watching them in their language of origin, not because I think I gain more/understand more than 'lowers than me' because I'm otaku. After watching about ten years worth of anime in Japanese, I CANNOT SPEAK ONE WORD. I don't try to learn the language, many of today's young fans pride themselves greatly with their little psuedo-Japanese. I have, in my short life, learned & forgotten two languages, French & Spanish, with a little Portugeuse tossed in there, I have enough trouble remembering English

!

The Japanese actors are way more familiar to me, especially the female ones. There's some English VAs that are good, but NOTHING like the Japanese.
Because it's a different language, things MUST be changed to speak it in English. There is always more to the original language versions, especially properly subbed with something of a full translation. It's hard to explain why, there are easy 'superficial' reasons. I just like it better, it's hard for me to watch English dubbed anime, but I do. You'll never here me complain about dubbies, we're an English speaking nation, it's only NATURAL for most NOT to watch it in a language they don't speak. Tolerence.

An otaku is nothing more than a person who is passionate about something. There are otaku worldwide, most of 'em are like coffee otaku, who do the best job picking beans from around the world, stuff like that. The otaku ARE NOT that group of know-it-all 12 year olds who got comps for Christams, & have NOW learned to forum

, they just learned the word.

Who's gonna be the insider @ this network, lol, we need to get someone in there

......

**Coollead** · 05-05-2002, 01:18 PM

Well...to give WS credit, they did edit some guns back in...at least thats what Matt said. I think they are teasing us...There is no other explanation.

**Sir Gatts** · 05-05-2002, 01:29 PM

What!?! Your telling us that the gib scenes shown in the promo were cut from yesterday's episode? I was looking forward to that!

**Koggit** · 05-05-2002, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by wussiewussie
as far as i know it's an accepted term now for an obsession/hobby or something to that degree. this i know because i study japanese at my school and.. well my teacher is pretty obsessed with just about everything about the land and culture so he would know.

According to Kit, the Animerica Journalist who's been writing colums from and about Japan for the last 7 months/issues, it's insulting.

Mabye not everyone takes offense to it, like some people here boast about themselves being computer nerds, or comic book geeks, but he said it's an insult.

JoJo's Bizzare Adventure is the cover story. Febuary issue if memory serves.

**zmanjz** · 05-05-2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Zero Angel

im sorry i resent that. i enjoy the original seiyuu of quite a few shows...most of which they happen to show on CN. so go ahead and have your closed minded view of what you "THINK" an otaku is but dont openly insult the rest of us.

Thou doth protest too much. (as it were.)

Indeed. If English is your native language, and you prefer the Japanese dubbing, (possibly with subtitles) then you show a great indication that you are an American Otaku. (The fact that you use the term seiyuu rather than VAs or Voice Actors further improves the likelyhood.) Besides, do you just like to watch with Japanese "seiyuu" or do you like to foist it upon other people? If it's just you, then what do I care what you prefer.)

Granted, there may be other circumstances, but it's Like the fact that if a person prefers Unix/linux to windows, they're probably a Computer Science Major.

Of course, all of this simply goes out the window if Japanese is your native language.

Also, I was shocked at the anger I felt through this message. But as an English Dub Lover, I must stand up for my opinion. (Besides, I meant it as a joke.)

**stanteau** · 05-05-2002, 04:26 PM

I prefer Jpn dub simply because the actors seem more relaxed.In most US dubs they cast crap like some macho guy for all male characters,most girls sound excrutiatingly whiny,etc. but stufflike ranma just kills the Jpn dub.

And otaku is a big insult,especially for adults.It means that you'r childish,obsessive,and have no life.I remember in one of the last OS episodes Gene calls the one big bad guy an otaku.

**Sheamon** · 05-05-2002, 04:53 PM

Thou doth protest too much. (as it were.)

A 3 sentence response to your otaku rant is too much!?

Indeed. If English is your native language, and you prefer the Japanese dubbing, (possibly with subtitles) then you show a great indication that you are an American Otaku.

Its rare to see such a cliche and ignorant statement. So you mean to tell me that if an anime has a fabulous dub in the japanese language done by VA veterans, yet has a sub par English dub, anyone who dares to prefer the more experienced, better thought out voices more is an otaku?

Besides, do you just like to watch with Japanese "seiyuu" or do you like to foist it upon other people?

When the hell did he say that? The guy dares to say that he enjoyed the japanese dub more than some (never said ALL like you seem to think) of the english dubs. How'd you get the idea from that that he's a dub hater who wants to refuse to let anyone see english dubs?

You can't seem to understand the concept that everyone wants to like English dubs who is a native English speaker like those on this board. Nobody, even in your words, the most hardcore otaku, wants to see a dub in english turn out bad. The problem is, something you have to learn, is that japanese dubs are produced in higher quality than english ones. English voice actors get dreadful pay and are not recognized as union workers (the reason why there's always so much confusion over Animaze dubs). The biggest reason why you don't see FUNI dubs turning out as good as jap ones. In other cases they use bad equipment (Wordfit with Ocean), or simply overuse their actors (Pilot Candidate). Everyone wants to see the English dub as a genre succeed (which is why there's so much praise over dubs like Bebop), the problem is, that at this point in time the disrespect and economic reality from the production side causes the unrefutable fact that japanese dubs are better than english ones when it comes to anime.

Also, I was shocked at the anger I felt through this message.

Which he never showed much of. He just dared to say that some out there like the occasional japanese dub more than an english one.

But as an English Dub Lover, I must stand up for my opinion. (Besides, I meant it as a joke.)

I'm an English dub lover too. But unlike you, I enjoy hearing it from both sides of the spectrum and don't go crazy when someone dares to have another opinion.

Back on subject, I too feel otaku as an insult. Proof enough is Faye's dialogue in last night's episode of Bebop. Which is why when someone insinuates that people who don't head over heals praise every single English dub are otakus comes off as an extreme insult.

**ohmrbill** · 05-05-2002, 05:24 PM

First of all, people, Japanese dubs suck just as much as American ones do (if not more). A dub means it's different from the original audio track. The original audio track is not a dub.

Simple fact: The original will always be better quality than the dub. This applies not only to anime, but to any movie, show, etc from any country for the reasons the Sheamon already pointed out: dub VA's are not paid nearly as well as "legitimate" actors and VA's and dubs are always produced at a much smaller budget.

Just because someone hates bad acting and doesn't mind actually reading something doesn't mean they're an otaku, it just means they have good taste.

And just for the record, I'm not a "dub hater." I have no problem watching dubs when they're decent. Dubs have gotten a lot better over the years and there are now only a few dubs that I can't stand.

And yes, "otaku" is an insult, just like "geek" or "nerd."

**Koggit** · 05-05-2002, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by ohmrbill
Just because someone hates bad acting and doesn't mind actually reading something doesn't mean they're an otaku, it just means they have good taste.

Only the people who share your veiws have good tastes?

**atf487** · 05-05-2002, 05:48 PM

What the fuzz? calm down guys.. If you're all arguing about something as little as this, maybe the word otaku can be used for you all.

**ohmrbill** · 05-05-2002, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Koggit
Only the people who share your veiws have good tastes?

That's not what I said. Bad acting is bad acting, and I find that people can only really recognized bad acting as they become older and more experienced (exactly which acting is bad is a whole different debate). Maybe "good tastes" was a bad choice of words (maybe I should say "more developed tastes?"), but if you, for example, think that the Olsen twins are good actors than I think I would have to say that you have bad taste in that situation.

Notice I didn't say that "all dubs have bad acting," just some.

What the fuzz? calm down guys.. If you're all arguing about something as little as this, maybe the word otaku can be used for you all.

Sorry, but when someone says something basically akin to "everyone who doesn't like all dubs is a geek," I think that's call for a debate.