To be honest, some of the earlier comments made me sad.
Most of the One Piece arcs begin slow, so that you can be introduced to the characters, and new concepts. Oda is a master of always bringing together various plots towards the middle and end of an arc.
But I guess people would rather have non-stop fighting.
Except when Bleach did that, people complained. There is no making some people happy.
And if you don't like the weekly pacing.....STREAM THE SHOW ON HULU, OR BUY THE DVDS. Gah.
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Really Perriot's only problem is that they were dragged down by the material itself. First off, Kubo did not seem to plan out his story well; I mean from when ichigo enters HM, till the defeat of Aizen we have one coninious flowing story; that is all one MASSIVE saga. When the anime team started the arrancar arc, the manga was well ahead of them, btu the anime team never knew how long that saga was gonna last and thus did not realize they were gonna come in danger of catching up with the manga WHILE in the middle of an arc... hence why we had filler arcs interrupting the story... The other problem is how much Kubo dragged things out himself. Really, the anime drags out a lot of fights because that's just how fricken long they were in the manga. Kubo couldn't keep his story or fights all that tight.
Really makes me wish we could mix and match... get the animation/writing team for bleach, and get them to work on one piece. Oda tends to handle story, pacing and arcs alot better than Kubo, and perriot's animation team are good at keeping up quality while still keeping their distance from catching up with the manga.
Really the only thing i would say has been proven is that slow pacing isn't enough to kill something that is INSANELY popular.
I'd much rather have more filler arcs in One Piece myself (not sure how long). And more single weeks without episodes. Buuuuuuuuuut I'm not trying to hold my breath or anything like that- I'm just saying.
I do agree with the "things'll be picking up in this arc" people but I don't really feel comfortable saying much more without feelings things'll be spoilery, including subtle things. I don't blame people for being upset with the anime pacing, but I haven't read the manga chapters for this arc recently enough to compare things to the manga.
Not that I've got a problem with using those methods as ways to watch the series, but since the show airs a new episode weekly in Japan, I don't think that it's right that, by default, anyone should go watch the series faster than weekly just to feel that the storyline is moving at a decent pace.And if you don't like the weekly pacing.....STREAM THE SHOW ON HULU, OR BUY THE DVDS. Gah.
For me, the pacing of this Water 7 storyline is all right, and I know the storyline of Water 7 myself anyway, but I can't help but think from the perspective of people watching the series from where Adult Swim started, some still probably wondering "Why is this series so liked?"
Also, I'm pretty sure most of the people who have a problem in this thread with the pacing already know of Hulu and DVDs or aren't currently interested enough in the show to get further along with the show at a faster pace then what Toonami's doing. I guess that, at least...
I'd like to know about where that's been proven as well, since I don't really hear this often...Originally Posted by TheCtes
anime/manga - do we really need to have manga adapted panel-to-panel verbatim right off the page? What's the point of an adaptation if you're just copying exactly what's on the page? It's like those video games based on movies where they have cutscenes that are basically recreations of movies scenes. What's the point? Now obviously we have filler so it's not exactly the same, but of course nobody watches a show for the filler.
The Simpsons (to say nothing of endless police procedurals) that value quantity over quality. But those aren't based on anything, and episodes are stand-alone and can be great on their own. I would have thought, based on what I've heard, that One Piece was something beloved like Game of Thrones and you'd want to adapt it similarly, instead of turning it into something that's a weekly by-the-numbers show, with average per-episode quality approximating NCIS or Law & Order. That's why I'm disappointed.
At the end of the day, if you did short seasons with breaks you'd have not only a better show but a show more people could enjoy. AND you'd have more people that would seek out the manga, knowing it's not the exact same scene-by-scene story. Of course if enough Japanese viewers are happy enough with it that they're watching every week, you can't blame the studio for doing it their way. That's why I'm disappointed with the Japanese viewers, for settling for something mediocre from something they apparently love.
They used to do filler. Then they started doing slow pacing. And they've done that since. Isn't it obvious what worked out better for them?
anime/manga, really) to the likes of Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. One Piece isn't some critically-acclaimed prime time drama based on a best-selling novel; it's a pulp series. It's a really good pulp series, but still a pulp series. And I know you detest the quantity-over-quality sentiment (as do I, for the most part), but that's exactly the kind of industry One Piece comes from. It's published in Weekly Shonen Jump, a magazine that is also released on a weekly basis, and the majority of whose comics don't last more than a year or two.
Oh, and as for the mediocrity that we settle for that I alluded to earlier; soap operas, Hanna-Barbara cartoons, reality shows, TMZ, tons of other stuff that's cheap and easy to make and emphasizes quantity over artistic integrity.
great amount of time just dragging out the episodes with the fighters powering up. Unlike Studio Perriot, Toei has always kept filler to a minimum and keeps it things short. Really, with how short their filler seasons were, i would doubt the ratings would show a signifcant impact either way; they were usually gone before you could get board of them. Furthermore, Toei DOES still make filler... when it comes down to it, filler takes more effort to make since it requires actual writing and creativity on toei's part; they have to come up with their own characters, storys, plots and scripts; honestly these guys practically use the manga as a storyboard... dragging things out is A LOT simpler
Futhermore, Filler is still standard practice with other long running series. Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Toriko, Detective Conan and so forth all still make use of filler. Don't see why they would all continue a practice that supposedly lowers their ratings.
It does help to have evidence to back up your claims to show you are speaking fact, rather than assumptionOh come on. You're asking me to dig up seriously old rating archives and compare while we alao take general ratings drop all over TV into consideration?
Though with some hunting I have found what is supposedly a record of Japanese ratings on another forum
I haven't gone over everything, but look at the airdates for the end of Skypeia, through the begining of water 7 the ratings seemed to be unaffected by the filler that went on inbetween. Also, while one piece is still INSANELY popular, it seems like it actually did used to score even higher ratings in the early 2000's... back when the pacing was better; i think right around Alabasta might have been when One piece ratings was at it's height. In fact, it seems that, despite water 7 being one of the best one piece arcs, it was later in that arc that One piece started to slip in the ratings, and it took a while to get back to where they were... and i think water 7 and the next arc is where pacing starts to slip up. And it seems like, as of late 2012, the ratings might be a slipping a bit again
Another thing I checked was that some of bleach's filler arcs, did a little better than their canon arcs; only a little better mind you, but its consistent enough to say there was a difference... and that series was really dragging in the ratings by the time it was canceled; series was pretty much done when Aizen was.
Now in the reverse... We have Naruto... THAT is a case where we saw damage caused by filler. Ratings held for a while, but eventually it became too much. Granted Naruto was still doing better than bleach, but their was a noticable drop in the ratings. Fillers during shippuden however, fared better as there didn't seem to be a signficant change. Though shippuden's ratings were never as good as what Naruto used to have before the timeskip.
All in all... fillers do not seem to in and of themselves hurt ratings; its possible they can, but they often have no effect (or in rare cases actually help the ratings). A lot of it depends on the quality of the filler's and how long they last. The canon material is also more than capable of suffering all on its own
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Batman is about as pulpy as One Piece, and for roughly the same audience, but its legacy is such that it was able to produce something as grand and high-reaching as the Nolan trilogy.
Now, if what I've heard is true, that the One Piece manga is both highly acclaimed and extremely popular, and I was a fan of it, I would want any adaptation to at least try to live up to its legacy, if not elevate it, instead of just going for the easy panel-to-panel, by-the-numbers, stretch-out model that only serves to guarantee consistent profits. That's NOT to say profit should be disregarded or they should only do it for the "art" or some other hippie nonsense, but I would wish that they would have enough faith in the Japanese audience to give them something extraordinary and not have to worry that it would eat into profits (and maybe, in the long term, actually have the possibility to yield greater profit).
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