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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Not exactly. They realized that they might not live long in the game since their bodies in the real world were still slowly wasting away. Hence them developing the desire to continue their love life in the real world
    Yeah, that logic still doesn't make sense to me, especially with how unbelievably fast Kirito was able to recover and that people can survive in a coma longer than two years. It does make it clear that they were only escaping for themselves and not for all of the thousands of people trapped in the game though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    She did a little last in the last game, but she won't do much in her damsel role. Her purpose is to sit there and be distressed until her hero comes and saves her. She's been demoted.
    Even in the last game, she didn't really do a lot, but considering that she's one of the two main characters, demoting her down to damsel in distress is pretty weak.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGunheart
    To be honest, the incest plot would only bother me if Kirito reciprocated, which as I understand it, he doesn't.
    I've heard that as well, but it's still kind of creepy that the audience is suppose to care that this incest romance will go unrequited and that I imagine we're suppose to feel bad for his cousin.

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    Well, I would argue, as I did before, that she technically did more than Kirito last arc in the material adapted from the first novel (Kirito beat Gleam Eyes and Heathcliff...and that's pretty much it). Which just makes her demotion even worse.

    I could see Sugu working if the show bothered to explore why she could be messed up enough for her brother to be the only person she sees as a romantic option, but I doubt that'll happen. Or for that matter, if she were younger, I could see it as a Precocious Crush, but after that creepy fanservice, it's clear that's not the case.
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    Honestly i sometimes do think that the author would be rather be writing a harem series with how many love interests that Kirito picks up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Light Lucario View Post
    Even in the last game, she didn't really do a lot, but considering that she's one of the two main characters, demoting her down to damsel in distress is pretty weak.
    Well she didn't do a whole lot, but she was doing well enough. I mean she helped Kitiro in a number of fights and even managed to save his life. Also Her position in her guild implied she not only had strength but that she was out doing something important... i mean her position basically implied that she was of the leading people trying to win the game. Granted, that image of her was NOT helped by her hiding behind kirito as opposed to her just putting her foot down and commanding the respect that is supposed to go with her position. In a way, i might say with kirito, she was a small step below Parnter, but clearly a step above Sidekick... which is a decent place to be. This is what makes her demotion so sad and annoying
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGunheart View Post
    Well, I would argue, as I did before, that she technically did more than Kirito last arc in the material adapted from the first novel (Kirito beat Gleam Eyes and Heathcliff...and that's pretty much it). Which just makes her demotion even worse.

    I could see Sugu working if the show bothered to explore why she could be messed up enough for her brother to be the only person she sees as a romantic option, but I doubt that'll happen. Or for that matter, if she were younger, I could see it as a Precocious Crush, but after that creepy fanservice, it's clear that's not the case.
    She did more than Kirito did in the episodes based on the novel, but it didn't really feel like that much. She wasn't inactive, but she didn't have a lot of memorable moments of action either for me. If they bothered to explore any of their characters more, they could be decent, as opposed to boring and bland. Actually exploring why Sugu loves Kirito would at least provide something other than creepy fanservice and another love interest for Kirito.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte
    Honestly i sometimes do think that the author would be rather be writing a harem series with how many love interests that Kirito picks up.
    That would explain why he got a couple of more love interests in the episodes based on the extra short stories.

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    Well she didn't do a whole lot, but she was doing well enough. I mean she helped Kitiro in a number of fights and even managed to save his life. Also Her position in her guild implied she not only had strength but that she was out doing something important... i mean her position basically implied that she was of the leading people trying to win the game. Granted, that image of her was NOT helped by her hiding behind kirito as opposed to her just putting her foot down and commanding the respect that is supposed to go with her position. In a way, i might say with kirito, she was a small step below Parnter, but clearly a step above Sidekick... which is a decent place to be. This is what makes her demotion so sad and annoying
    She did help Kirito out and like I said, she wasn't inactive, but not really active either. The position in the guild doesn't really mean much when she didn't really exercise her power, especially when she had to stand behind Kirito in that one case, and that was really off-screen more than anything else. Still, saying that she was a step below partner, but a step above sidekick sounds about right to me. Her demotion is more stupid than sad for me, although maybe it helps that I never liked her anyway. Taking one of the two main characters and making them just a damsel in distress is incredibly weak. Even if this was a larger cast, it would be a poor choice, but considering how the show clearly doesn't care much about anyone who isn't Kirito or Asuna and even the supporting characters barely exist, making a move like this with a really small cast just makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Dalek View Post
    Just watch the damn Daisuki link then. It's there for a reason.
    That's a bit harsh.
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    This episode was okay. The new villain is pretty creepy, I already know I won't like him. I feel bad for Asuna, though. Can't catch a break. As for the sibling/cousin plot....I'll wait until its fleshed out more.
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    This new villain is hilarious in his awfulness. Presumably he's gotten to his current position by pulling the wool over the eyes of Asuna's father for years, but what does he do here? He advertises his nastiness out of the blue when his plan could have gone forward just fine without doing this. The bit on the marriage / partnership was clearly devastating enough on its own, but then the show has to unbelievably twist the knife just for the sake of doing it. Wow. The worst of it for me is that Kirito actually seems intimidated by this and likely isn't going to do anything about this in real life. Tell Asuna's dad his business partner is a sleaze? Nah, surely all problems can be best solved by playing video games!

    One thing I wasn't thrown off by was Kirito's physical state. This episode established that he wasn't at 100%, and there was a time skip between this episode and when he woke up from SAO. There was opportunity for him to recover.

    As for the not-really-my-sister drama...yeah, there isn't much to add that hasn't already been said. The fact is all indications are that they pretty much grew up together, hence their relationship is clearly not dissimilar to blood brother and sister, and so the technicalities don't make things less icky. The cover is superficial at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWOtaku View Post
    This new villain is hilarious in his awfulness. Presumably he's gotten to his current position by pulling the wool over the eyes of Asuna's father for years, but what does he do here? He advertises his nastiness out of the blue when his plan could have gone forward just fine without doing this. The bit on the marriage / partnership was clearly devastating enough on its own, but then the show has to unbelievably twist the knife just for the sake of doing it. Wow. The worst of it for me is that Kirito actually seems intimidated by this and likely isn't going to do anything about this in real life. Tell Asuna's dad his business partner is a sleaze? Nah, surely all problems can be best solved by playing video games!
    I disagree with this take. Sugou basically has her life in his hands and made it clear that if Kirito did anything to get in his way, he could easily kill her. Since he's the head of the company's department that controls the servers where she's apparently still logged in, he could probably easily do it without being caught too. And why would her father trust Kirito over Sugou, whom he's known for Sugou's whole life and is obviously a close family friend? Obviously his display to Kirito was a bit over the top, but I can forgive that as just the show wanting to make his true nature clear, and he did obviously want to make it clear to Kirito that he was in control, and that he doesn't want Kirito around anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWOtaku View Post
    This new villain is hilarious in his awfulness. Presumably he's gotten to his current position by pulling the wool over the eyes of Asuna's father for years, but what does he do here? He advertises his nastiness out of the blue when his plan could have gone forward just fine without doing this. The bit on the marriage / partnership was clearly devastating enough on its own, but then the show has to unbelievably twist the knife just for the sake of doing it. Wow. The worst of it for me is that Kirito actually seems intimidated by this and likely isn't going to do anything about this in real life. Tell Asuna's dad his business partner is a sleaze? Nah, surely all problems can be best solved by playing video games!
    My guess as to why Kirito didn't try to tell Asuna's father about his business partner being slime was probably because he wouldn't believe him. Unless he got proof, like maybe a recording of their conversation, he might not believe him, especially when he thinks so highly enough of him to the point where he was worried about his future when discussing this disturbed marriage, as opposed to worrying about Asuna in this mess. It did feel kind of weird that he didn't even consider that option before breaking down and crying though. I could understand not considering that with the initial shock, but afterwards, he already acted like it was hopeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by GWOtaku
    One thing I wasn't thrown off by was Kirito's physical state. This episode established that he wasn't at 100%, and there was a time skip between this episode and when he woke up from SAO. There was opportunity for him to recover.
    They said that he wasn't at a hundred percent, but his actions in the episode didn't really back that up in my opinion. He could have a kendo match with his cousin, move around like he was using his sword from the game during the match, could ride a bike and walk around with no problem. They said that he was doing physical therapy by going to the gym every day, but my issue was that it had only been two months since he woke up from the game. I'm not sure if two months would be enough time for him to recover that much, even with doing physical therapy every day. Maybe if it was six months instead of two, I'd have an easier time believing that.

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