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    Will Adult Swim Lose The FOX Cartoons?

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    I was thinking about the new adult-animation block that FOX wants to start up this summer, ADHD, after seeing a trailer for Axe Cop. This made me think, surely FOX wouldn't want anymore of their shows on AS, seeing as they want to compete with AS with ADHD.

    So, how long would AS have the rights to the FOX cartoons if FOX doesn't want to renew their relationship with them?

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    Not sure. Thing is, ADHD is only a one night block. Fox still has much to gain having AS and TBS rerun them, money wise. However, wasn't there talks of Fox and Dreamworks possibly teaming up to launch a new channel? If that's the case, Fox would likely want those shows airing there. There's also the chance a competitor could outbid AS for the rights to those shows whenever they do expire, which Comedy Central did for Futurama.

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    A Dreamworks/Fox channel, huh? I wonder what AS will do with its programming if Family Guy/Cleveland leave.... More Toonami? More Live-Action? All I have to contribute is speculation...

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    Adult Swim's contracts will expire with Fox eventually, unless they keeping renewing them.

    They have Family Guy till 2015, so that show is safe with them for a couple more years. They also only premiered The Cleveland Show about half a year ago, so I'm pretty sure they'll be keeping it for a long time.

    They've had King of the Hill for four years now, so I'm guessing that will probably be out of their hands soon. I'm not sure about American Dad, but as long as Fox keeps renewing it, AS might still have reason to keep renewing their contract for that.

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    Maybe they will stop airing FOX's cartoons in a few years. But how did the never air The Simpsons? Maybe let's cross our fingers and wait for 2018, Adult Swim has become a standalone network, The Simpsons Channel is born and... well... that's it.

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    Adult Swim would fall apart without Family Guy and lose a lot of ratings without American Dad and The Cleveland Show so they'll do what they have to in order to hold on to at least Family Guy (and so will TBS). The landscape of Adult Swim would drastically change if they had less FOX shows but FOX really has no reason to take Family Guy away from Turner when it does so well on Adult Swim and TBS and the way AS reruns of American Dad constantly beat Futurama is enough indication that it's not just the show but also the venue that matters toward their success. Adult Swim may eventually part with King of the Hill but it serves as a buffer and it may be cheap enough to renew for that purpose. AS doesn't want to lose their newly achieved status for prime time ratings which they only were able to get with FOX reruns including King of the Hill. Being out-bid is certainly a possibility but Turner values Family Guy heavily for both AS and TBS so I think they'd be willing to outbid other networks to keep it.

    In short, I don't see Adult Swim losing the FOX reruns any time soon. Maybe not even KotH if it's cheap enough to keep around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daikun View Post
    They've had King of the Hill for four years now, so I'm guessing that will probably be out of their hands soon.
    The version of KOTH they're using is the syndicated package; any network can have that. Family Guy is not the syndicated version, but a less-edited version delivered directly from Fox.
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    AS really got lucky with Family Guy, because it had been cancelled by Fox back when they did pick it up. It was considered a failure at the time, so I'm sure Turner got a really good bargain. Of course we all know the success in reruns led to the revival on Fox and it has remained on the air since. Had things occurred differently, who knows what would have happened.

    It's a bit sad how much AS relies on reruns of Family Guy and other Fox shows to stay afloat. They tend to do better than even premieres of their own originals. The only AS original that tends to come close to it in ratings is Robot Chicken, which of course has ties to Family Guy (Seth Green is a main cast member on both, and MacFarlane himself tends to guest star on Robot Chicken frequently).

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    All this talk makes me wonder if AS has any plans to make Prime Time worthy shows, just in case they do lose a couple FOX reruns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomMe View Post
    But how did the never air The Simpsons?
    The fans didn't want it, plain and simple. (I remember seeing footage of a con panel years ago where AS brought it up and there was a wide reaction.) We got enough Fox shows as it is, and their dependence on them has only worsened over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daikun View Post

    The fans didn't want it, plain and simple. (I remember seeing footage of a con panel years ago where AS brought it up and there was a wide reaction.) We got enough Fox shows as it is, and their dependence on them has only worsened over time.
    Actually, the main reason is that the original syndication deal prevents The Simpsons from airing on cable networks until the show is cancelled. Otherwise, another cable network would have picked reruns up a long time ago. It's the same reason why it isn't on Netflix, and the Hulu episodes are only up for a limited time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildHood90s View Post
    All this talk makes me wonder if AS has any plans to make Prime Time worthy shows, just in case they do lose a couple FOX reruns.
    Some of their pilots announced during the 2012 upfront suggested they were attempting some prime time worthy projects but no word on any of those getting picked up. I think they somewhat lack the ambition to produce prime time shows but they seem to be keeping Venture Bros. TV-14 this season as a way to allow it to air in prime time like it does on Saturday. If they lost King of the Hill they might be willing to give it a weekday prime time slot.

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    Ah, sweet. Hopefully at least a few of those projects come to light. I'd like to see what kind of prime time shows AS can cook up for us. Could pave the way for some interesting series down the way. Maybe Toonami won't be the main reason I watch AS at that point. lol
    I wonder how Venture Bros has been lately, I know they've changed up the cast since season 1 but I haven't watched many recent episodes.

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    Would it be in FOX's interest to cut off support to another outlet?

    Adult Swim without FOX is like pulling the plug. Futurama and Family Guy put them on the map and with them out of the question how would they have been able to afford things like Boondocks and Venture Brothers?. In 2001, I didn't think Adult Swim would make it but look at where we are now. It's thought provoking to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robochao View Post
    Would it be in FOX's interest to cut off support to another outlet?

    Adult Swim without FOX is like pulling the plug. Futurama and Family Guy put them on the map and with them out of the question how would they have been able to afford things like Boondocks and Venture Brothers?. In 2001, I didn't think Adult Swim would make it but look at where we are now. It's thought provoking to say the least.
    I look at it as a double edge sword. Yes the FOX shows get the best ratings of the network, but I feel at the same time Adult Swim is a bit too reliant on them. They clog up over half of the weeknight lineup, when more of that lineup can be spared for more of Adult Swim's originals. No network should have to completely rely on so few shows for so long, because what is their backup plan if either A) They lose the rights to those shows, or B) Those shows suddenly decrease in popularity? You can play devil's advocate and point out that most of Adult Swim's originals don't get as good ratings, but perhaps there is another way to fix that. There are a lot of risks to be taken, but I honestly feel like networks don't take as many risks as they should. These networks like to play it safe a bit too often.

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    No, I don't think it will, and I'll give one huge reason it probably won't. I believe as's contract is with Seth McFarlane. Remember it was [adult swim] that went back and ordered more episodes of Family Guy, and FOX did so as long as they got to air them first. This means [adult swim] is probably paying the production fee on most of the Family Guy episodes, and I see no reason why that will have changed today.
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    I think in time, they will. Fox is about to turn the channel currently known as Fox Soccer to a new comedy-centric entertainment channel, FXX, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got broadcasting rights to the MacFarlane shows, King of the Hill, and Bob's Burgers and Futurama by 2015. It's less than two years away, and anything they feel that'll make FXX stronger, they'll do it.

    For all we know, maybe FXX would put get those shows and only permit themselves to air it at certain times of the day, like how TBS doesn't air American Dad in primetime. My guess is that Adult Swim will keep some rights but dramatically limit their repeats of them throughout the week.

    The winner in all of this will be Fox, whether they get cable syndication rights or not. If they do, it'll be prominent on bot FX and FXX. If they don't, they're going to get a truckload of money from Adult Swim allowing that network to keep it for another limited period.
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    The one thing I could see is, when The Simpsons has its final season, I could see them making a deal to get those broadcast rights in exchange for giving the McFarlane shows and KOTH to FXX. Substitute the 6 FOX hours on weekdays with 2 hours of Simpsons, 2 hours of of anime, and then either 2hours of more successful originals which they should be trying to develop or an expanded DVR Theater block and, if taking a slight dip, I could see AS recovering.
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