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    Is anyone else disappointed that Toonami doesn't seem to have any interest in airing classic (80s- early 90s) anime? That's really my favorite era and I think it's a shame that no one will give anything old a chance. I'd love to see them air Zeta Gundam, Macross, Dirty Pair, Saint Seiya, or anything else that's good and has a dub. I guess I'm not the biggest fan of their lineup right now.

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    No, not really. I would love to see Fist of the North Star on Toonami, but a lot of those animes have had their day. I would much rather Toonami put money into buying new series that haven't been very much exposed, rather than ones that have been around for 20-25 years.

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    The Toonami crew has made it very clear that they don't intend to be a nostalgia block. They're treating Toonami as if it never went off the air by continuing to showcase newer shows. Technically, we do have Cowboy Bebop as a classic 90s anime (it was produced and aired in Japan from 1998-1999). Of course, some fans are hating on Bebop due to how long Adult Swim has been airing it.

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    I'm not upset with the lack of classic anime on the lineup. While I wouldn't mind seeing some older titles on the lineup, I would much rather see them use their budget for shows that are more recent and/or haven't had much exposure.

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    As good as the old stuff is, I rather Toonami continue to give us more modern flavors of anime. Let's let shows like Soul Eater, Deadman Wonderland, and what ever other shows they have for us down the road get a chance to be 'Toonami Classics'.
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    I like to see more classic shows too. Especially Gundam Wing.

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    Star Blazers on Toonami FTW!

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    I think its best that Toonami focuses on New and Modern anime... but if I had to pick an classic anime I'd pick GATCHAMAN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub C View Post
    As good as the old stuff is, I rather Toonami continue to give us more modern flavors of anime. Let's let shows like Soul Eater, Deadman Wonderland, and what ever other shows they have for us down the road get a chance to be 'Toonami Classics'.
    Indeed. Toonami lived by bringing the edgiest and action filled series to the West. Many shows which are now considered classic were just years old when they first premiered on Toonami back in the 90's/early 2000's.
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    The reason why we haven't seen anymore "classics" return to Toonami is because of a combination of licensing issues, being too expensive of an acquisition or that the ratings wouldn't justify airing it. That's not to say that we won't see anymore as I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more show up, although at the moment, the only "classic" Toonami show with a realistic possibility of returning is Yu Yu Hakusho (and even then the budget needs to improve before they can get airing rights).

    Not that I'm complaining. It'd be awful if the block was a nostalgia block.
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    Indeed. Toonami lived by bringing the edgiest and action filled series to the West. Many shows which are now considered classic were just years old when they first premiered on Toonami back in the 90's/early 2000's.
    To be fair, many of the shows they did air back in 1998-2004 had finished up airing years ago (or in Tenchi-Muyo! case, the OVA 2 had been finished for nearly five years). Dragon Ball/Z, Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Hakusho, Gundam Wings and Tenchi-Muyo were all popular shows and had finished in Japan by the time Toonami acquired them (heck, the only show that was "new" to American audience out of the five shows mentioned was Gundam Wings).

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    Really? Yu Yu Hakusho? You dont realize how happy it makes me to hear that. I love that show and want to finish it so damn bad..

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    Quote Originally Posted by astarisborn94 View Post
    Not that I'm complaining. It'd be awful if the block was a nostalgia block.To be fair, many of the shows they did air back in 1998-2004 had finished up airing years ago (or in Tenchi-Muyo! case, the OVA 2 had been finished for nearly five years). Dragon Ball/Z, Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Hakusho, Gundam Wings and Tenchi-Muyo were all popular shows and had finished in Japan by the time Toonami acquired them (heck, the only show that was "new" to American audience out of the five shows mentioned was Gundam Wings).
    I wouldn't call a show that finished airing 5 years ago "old" or "Classic"... Heck Tenchi GXP is 10 years old now and Samurai 7 is about 8 years old, I would not all say either of them are considered "classics". No, for the old toonami, "classic" would have been shows from the 80's like the original gundam or Saint Seiya... and even then they were series that didn't really air before toonami so they were technically new to their audience; They aired those series not for nostalgia, but to give viewers something old that inspired later series and that they most likely had not seen before. In contrast, a lot of "classic" shows would be more done for nostalgia... and frankly, if we go back to the 80's i'm not sure how popular a lot of those shows would even be; I feel like some of those shows are important because of what they inspired later, but at the same time I feel a lot of them are kinda overrated because they tend not too be as good as a lot of people remember them to be... i'd rather toonami focus more on what's new, and keeping their ratings going up so they can increase their budget for more shows.
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    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want Toonami to be only a nostalgia block. I just think it would be nice if they threw a bone to people like me who enjoy old anime. Does anyone think that the studios or whatever are charging way too much for licensing their shows? IMHO they should be giving this stuff away. More people would see it that way and they'd get more interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zetastrike View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want Toonami to be only a nostalgia block. I just think it would be nice if they threw a bone to people like me who enjoy old anime. Does anyone think that the studios or whatever are charging way too much for licensing their shows? IMHO they should be giving this stuff away. More people would see it that way and they'd get more interest.
    I don't think that they should be giving their shows away. They still need to make a profit out of them, even if some of the classic shows sell a lot through DVDs and other merchandise. I think it's more of a matter that the Toonami crew has a small budget rather than the licensors charging too much. Since they had ask their higher ups if they could get the money for Naruto, despite being a success on the original block, they clearly don't have money to go after even older shows that they used to air. I wouldn't mind seeing them air one of the classic anime titles they used to air, especially when I didn't see much of those shows back when Toonami was airing them, but I'm happy to see them focusing on new shows. They can't rely on nostalgia to last forever and they need new material to make the block last. If they do get a larger budget, I'd prefer for them to go after more recent shows that need more exposures than older titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zetastrike View Post
    Is anyone else disappointed that Toonami doesn't seem to have any interest in airing classic (80s- early 90s) anime? That's really my favorite era and I think it's a shame that no one will give anything old a chance. I'd love to see them air Zeta Gundam, Macross, Dirty Pair, Saint Seiya, or anything else that's good and has a dub. I guess I'm not the biggest fan of their lineup right now.
    Toonami aired the original Mobile Suit Gundam back in 2001, it tanked in ratings and was removed four episodes before it's run was concluded. Zeta Gundam would mostly likely fair no better. Also there is the even bigger problem of Bandai's America branch collapsing last year and taking most of their licenses with them which Zeta was one of. Macross in caught up in massive legal battle due to the whole Robotech mess that has gone on for years, so don't expect it to show up again in America any time soon. Saint Seiya aired on Cartoon Network as bad hackjob called Knights of the Zodiac back in... 2004 I think? Anyway, it wasn't well received. I have no idea about Dirty Pair. But as you can see most of you're requests are impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoahJake View Post
    Really? Yu Yu Hakusho? You dont realize how happy it makes me to hear that. I love that show and want to finish it so damn bad..
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    I wouldn't call a show that finished airing 5 years ago "old" or "Classic"... Heck Tenchi GXP is 10 years old now and Samurai 7 is about 8 years old, I would not all say either of them are considered "classics". No, for the old toonami, "classic" would have been shows from the 80's like the original gundam or Saint Seiya... and even then they were series that didn't really air before toonami so they were technically new to their audience; They aired those series not for nostalgia, but to give viewers something old that inspired later series and that they most likely had not seen before. In contrast, a lot of "classic" shows would be more done for nostalgia... and frankly, if we go back to the 80's i'm not sure how popular a lot of those shows would even be; I feel like some of those shows are important because of what they inspired later, but at the same time I feel a lot of them are kinda overrated because they tend not too be as good as a lot of people remember them to be... i'd rather toonami focus more on what's new, and keeping their ratings going up so they can increase their budget for more shows.
    Which is why I put "classics" and "old" in italics since how people define them varies from person to person.

    I do agree that the focus should be (and will be) mostly newer shows. I'm just saying that some of the most popular shows that were on classic Toonami weren't exactly "new" material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astarisborn94 View Post
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    To be fair, many of the shows they did air back in 1998-2004 had finished up airing years ago (or in Tenchi-Muyo! case, the OVA 2 had been finished for nearly five years). Dragon Ball/Z, Sailor Moon, Yu Yu Hakusho, Gundam Wings and Tenchi-Muyo were all popular shows and had finished in Japan by the time Toonami acquired them (heck, the only show that was "new" to American audience out of the five shows mentioned was Gundam Wings).
    Naturally, but in America of the late 90's they were still the forefront of animation, with writing and artistic styles that were outstanding for the time. Five years didn't take the edge off those shows when they were broadcast in the late 90's/early 2000's.

    However, times have changed. It's been over fifteen years, and the standards of cutting edge animation and writing has been stepped up considerably.
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    Even though I enjoyed classic Animes like Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon, I also agree with everyone else that it would be better if Toonami aired more animes that were barely getting any attention rather than air the same animes they aired years ago. Airing the same animes over and over again can cause the fans to really get tired of watching Toonami since they wouldn't be showing new material that would interest any fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Anime View Post
    I have know idea about Dirty Pair. But as you can see most of you're requests are impossible.
    Currently, it's with RightStuf/Nozomi Ent. I suspect the audience that would be most interested in the show now would be fans who already bought the DVDs. It already had it's time in the limelight when it aired on Showtime Beyond 10 years ago.

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    I wouldn't mind some classic anime on the block, but I like how Toonami has the newer animes on (at least at the beginning oe block). If they were to get the rights to some of the classic animes, I would prefer they take up half an hour of the hour long series. Cowboy Bebop certainly doesn't need an hour each week, and while InuYasha is a long series, I wouldn't mind only half an hour.

    Truth be told, if Toonami got a Gundam series right now, I'd like them to get SEED Destiny. It would get Gundam on the block and hopefully allow them to be the host for the dub premiere of Gundam AGE.
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